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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Steele) writes:
>>>Hello all, I am new to the Internet, and even newer to programming Internet
>>>clients, but after a few weeks fumbling around with the horrible Telnet
>>>clients I've seen for winsock, I've gone ahead and written my own using Visual
[stuff deleted]
>>>please tell me what they want in a Telnet client. I'm open to any and all
>>>suggestions.
>
> One thing I'd like to see is the ability to program the function keys, and
> have different definitions for different hosts.  It would also be good to
> allow the shifted, control, and alt plains to be programmed as well.

This is a necessity in most European countries. I'm not sure whether it
is the Telnet author or Windows itself who must do it, but we Finns
require that we can press our six special characters on *OUR FINNISH*
keyboard and see the host echo them back looking as usual. And when the
Caps Lock key is pressed, the usual lowercase/uppercase stuff should
work on our special characters too. MS-Kermit does all this very well,
but, unfortunately, it's DOS only.

There are different ways of coding our special characters: VT220
requires 7-bit set (the so called National Replacement set) and a 8-bit
set (which of course is different from Windows way of coding this which
of course is different from the DOS CP437 way of doing this :-(

>
> When you add VT-100 emulation, it would be good to support both transparent
> and copy print modes so output can be redirected to local printers.  An
> interesting twist to this would be to allow output to be routed to a network
> printer via LPR protocol.  That would be really useful here...
>

I'd run LPR on the host directly or I'd use Thomas Heil's WLPRSP40.

I've found that with winsock Windows is a nice multitasking light-load
full TCP-IP-capable host: I can run Telnet, FTP, ftpd, SMTP, POP, LPR
and lpd at the same time! I think the age of monolithic apps like
QVT/Net is over - it's much easier to develop small, independent apps
which talk directly to the Winsock API.
--
Juhani Jaakola, [e-mail]
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Subject: Are there any PPP software for WFW 3.11?



   Hi. I have access to a ppp connection. The site gave me some
   dos softwares but doesn't work too well. It can only call
   the system. Ftp, Telnet, etc are working. Even if they were
   working I'd like to have it for WFW 3.11.
   Are there any software on the net that supports PPP?
   Thanks a lot.

   PS: In your reply please be as blunt as possible. I don't really know
   any of this configuring stuff.
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From: [e-mail] (Michel L'Heureux)
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Subject: Re: NEC Versa Laptop, NEC Xircom card, Tcpman


>Has anyone figured out how to get NEC's cefcg.exe & cepd.com packet driver
>working with winpkt & tcpman? I have the 10baseT NEC/Xircom ethernet PCMCIA
>card, and I can't get the packet driver & tcpman talking. Tcpman SLIP talk
>just fine, but not the card.

I just have the same problem with a Xircom adapter for a notebook. Any help
would be appreciate.

Thank you

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Michel L'Heureux
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Subject: Re: Need a Windows PPP (not slip) connector for Winsock

 Is it a share of freeware? I'm looking for one. If it is please
 post location. Thanks.






In article <2pnb0m$[e-mail]>,
Adam Koczarski  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>> Im in search of a Windows based PPP conector (like Trumpet Winsock) that will
>> interface with all the winsock based apps.
>
>I use Chameleon by NetManage Inc. It comes with a pretty nice suite of apps and seems to
>run most of the other Winsock apps available out here on the net. It does SLIP, CSLIP and
>PPP.
>
>-ark
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Why doesnt send() send all my characters?

In article <2po7qp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (P. Eivind Jenssen) writes:
>We're using the send()-function to send data from one PC to another.
>We have done this with small data-packages (less than 300 bytes).
>But we have now tried to send more data (over 3000 bytes (3082 exactly) ).
>When the send function has been executed, it tells us that it only
>transmitted 2920 bytes.
>Our help file WINSOCK.HLP says this might happen, but not WHY it happens.
>CAN SOMEONE OUT THERE HELP US?

The winsock DLL itself has buffers that it allocates for managing the
network, as does the network card.  If any of these buffers fills up,
then quite obviously the full amount of your send will not get
through.  This is a natural result of programming any network system.
It is not generally a good idea to try to find a size of buffer that
'works', since if anything changes the speed of your network, that
size of buffer will again be wrong.  Simply accept the fact that some
of your data needs to be stored in anticipation of sending it on the
next call to send().

Alun.
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Subject: Want comm.drv for Win 3.1 that will do more than 19200 BAUD

Where can I find a comm.drv for Windows 3.1 that will allow me to set
the BAUD rate of my serial ports above 19200.  I would like at least
38400 of higher.  I have a 16550 chip on my serial ports but applications
running in windows that use comm.drv (in the system.ini file) are not
making use of the faster chip.  I have seen pictures in books where the
Windows 3.1 serial port driver allows you to set the speed as high as
115 KBAUD.  Are these just pictures?  I saw something posted a while
back about this.  I didn't have a need at the time.

Thanks in advance.  Ashley Barnett.  Texas A&M University.
for one at the time.
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Subject: how do you pass a break thru trumpet winsock?

I am using the trumpet winsock and going into a modem that must have
a break before setting the baud rate.

Anyone have any idea on what to put in a script to produce the break
or even to produce the break on manual connection?

Thanks,

Mike Maul
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If you could post to me directly - I would appreciate it since i don't
normally read this newsgroup.
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Subject: WinVN News Reader: how can I place *.ini-File in other dir

Hi,

WinVN (and all other internet programs with personal info) has one
BIG problem: all personal data (name etc.) goes into the basic WINDOWS
directory (in the winvn.ini), but: what if some people sharing one PC?

It would be fine, if I could place this *.ini file an a special dir or, even better,
if I can control the location of the ini-File via environment var.

Is this already built in? Or am I wrong with my problem?

Thanks for any purposes (preferred via EMail to: [e-mail])

Bye


Michael Luebbeke     [e-mail]
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Subject: Help!!! A novice question on winsock

Hello,
    I understand that winsock is a specfication for
network programming for microsoft windows.  We are involved
in porting an application from UNIX to mswindows which
involves lot of socket calls.

    My question is do we neeed to purchase a library
from a third party vendor that adhers to winsock specs or
is there any such software on the public domain? In the
winsock directory there is a lib named winsock.lib,
Does this serve the same purpose?

    Since this might not be of interest to many readers
I would appreicate if some can e-mail me the responses.
Thanx in advance
Dora Potluri ([e-mail]
[e-mail] )
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Subject: Re: New PD Telnet and FTP for Winsock

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chris Rowley) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Chris Rowley)
>Subject: New PD Telnet and FTP for Winsock
>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 16:37:29
>Summary: new telnet and ftp clients plus request for features
>Keywords: telnet ftp new winsock vb

>Hello all, I am new to the Internet, and even newer to programming Internet
>clients, but after a few weeks fumbling around with the horrible Telnet
>clients I've seen for winsock, I've gone ahead and written my own using Visual
>Basic and Distinct's excellent winsock VBX. So far I have implemented the
>following:
>     * Automatic Sizing of telnet font based on window size
>     * Variable size split screen Terminal/Chat window with split bar
>     * Terminal scrollback >20K
>     * Telnet address book supporting unlimited addresses with
>          - name
>          - host name/address
>          - port
>          - comments
>     * custom font, size and attributes for the chat window
>     * saves window position and size for all windows
>     * all information in private .INI file for easy editing in or
>       out of the software
>Features I'll finish tomorrow:
>     * preferences for controlling in-bound and out-bound CR/LF
>     * re-send lines from chat window (command history)
>     * custom foreground/background colors for terminal and chat windows
>     * custom font for terminal window
>     * terminal font size on/off
>     * dockable buttonbar for storing macros (typing macros that is)
>Features I won't have ready before the first release (planned for Friday):
>     * VT-100 or any other emulation other than tty

>Why I'm typing this here is so if other people who call MUDs or use Telnet for
>a lot of work, and who have some clue as to what features would be nice, could
>please tell me what they want in a Telnet client. I'm open to any and all
>suggestions.

>I plan on releasing the compiled program and all Visual Basic source on
>Friday. But where should I put it? What sites will allow me to upload a file
>for winsock users?

>In addition, while WS_FTP is a great, solid program, it's interface is boring,
>so I'm writing a NeXT-like FTP client with multiple windows and viewing modes
>for faster and easier navigation of FTP sites. For those of you familiar with
>the NeXT, I think you'll agree it is an excellent starting point. For others,
>what features are missing from your ideal FTP clent?

>Thanks for the feedback. You can also mail me at [e-mail].
>I'll be back to report on progress soon.
>     Chris
How about a filter to allow you to send output to a second window. eg tell
messages. There is nothing worse than buffering up a job lot of commands only
to have someone tell you something as you see it scrolling off the top of the
screen.

Just an idea.
Richard
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Subject: Re: Cello vs Mosaic

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nick Ali) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Nick Ali)
>Subject: Re: Cello vs Mosaic
>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 18:52:33 +0000

>I am not well qualified to comment being a) New to WWW internet et all.
>b) never having used mosaic. However, having downloaded cello and fired it
>up with the miminmum of fiddling I was impressed. I am not sure what it
>consumes in the way of resource but its quick loading and small size
>would indicate not much. In the capacity of new user I found it pretty
>intuitive with good help. It seems quite robust though is prone to crash
>if you hit abort whilst it is waiting for a domain name to be resolved ?
>(any pointers here greatly recieved). I just spent a fun afternoon browsing
>with it. A couple of general comments:

>Wouldn't it be nice if you could hit a button to find out how big a page
>was before retrieveing it?

=============
Very!  It would also be nice if page-maintainers always listed the size of
graphics, audio and video files so you knew whether they were in fact too
big for the amount of RAM you have.
===============
>What are these forms that cello dosen't
support?
===================
Mosaic has support for a forms fill-in feature, meaning that vendors can sell
you their products online because you are able to fill in your name and
other important information they want, like your credit card numbers!
The feature also allows you to complete questionnaires, register for
contests/free stuff, etc.  Also the forms can be created with menu-style
choices.  This is a very helpful feature to have, as you can imagine.
====================
>There seems to be lots of hypertext indexes and header pages but very >little
in the way of hypertext information. (Must be a pretty enourmous>job
referencing stuff without sophisticated tools.

>--
>Nick Ali
===================
I just tried Cello yesterday and found it not as "pretty" to use as Mosaic
(by far, especially the links), but as you mentioned it really loads and moves
much faster.  As discussed above, Mosaic has forms support.  Another
(really great!) feature is the menu editor.  I became addicted to it
immediately and found it a real pain that Cello doesn't have it.
However, Cello has a really, really good help feature and tutorial which
is wonderful for newbies to the net and to hypertext browsers.  Mosaic
has NO HELP AT ALL, a real minus.  Also, Mosaic developers seem to be
more interested in writing for many platforms than in perfecting the
features on each platform.  For example, I cannot get Mosaic 2.0.a.3 or
2.0.a.4 to work on my network without immediately crashing and feedback
to the developers is put off with a "we're too busy working on the next
platform to reply" type responses.

Also, Cello has excellent printing interface with Windows' printer choice,
while Mosaic still only works for some people (unfortunately I can't get it to
print anything but a swirl of text to our new HP4SiMX printer.  It is pretty
stable in the 2.0.a.2 version so that's what I've stayed with, but we do have
to forego being able to print, other than loading the next-clicked page to
disk and then printing it out with all its HTML headers.  People tell me they
use both programs, depending on what they plan to be doing on the net.
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Subject: Re: QVT 3.97 FTPd stops after bad login?

In article <2pm1pf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alun Jones) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> writes:
>>I'm having a strange problem with the FTP server in QVT/Net 3.97... I
>>have it setup serving anonymous servers, etc... and everything works
>>fine, unless someone gets a failed login.  After a failed login, the
>>server rejects *all* connection attempts.  It has to be quit, and then
>>re-loaded.  Any ideas anyone?
>
>I'll bet a registered copy of my ftp server that this is because
>you're using PC-NFS as your winsock stack.  They seem to have a major
>problem with this.  This is at least one of the reasons why I don't
>recommend use of PC-NFS unless absolutely necessary.
>
>Until someone from the suppliers of PC-NFS can get in contact with me,
>I am going to carry on telling people that PC-NFS is NOT the way to go
>for winsock, since this and a couple of other bugs make it difficult
>or impossible to run any kind of automated server.
>
>Alun.
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Ummm....actually, I think Rick (Osterberg) and I are both using Trumpet Winsock beta- release 6...

And it crashes.  What seems to be happening is that the ftp connection isn't c losed properly and the WinQVT is limited to one connection at a time...

Anyways...dunno...


-- Derek


P.S.  So....do I get that registered copy? :)

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Subject: Re: WinVN News Reader: how can I place *.ini-File in other dir

In article <2pr5lf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Noble) says:
>
>In article <2poml8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Luebbeke) says:
>>It would be fine, if I could place this *.ini file an a special dir or, even better,
>>if I can control the location of the ini-File via environment var.
>
>I have been running with my WINVN.INI file in the same directory that I load WINVN.EXE
>from. When I saw this post, I moved it to a different directory to try it out. I simply
        ... stuff deleted ...

I know its bad form to followup your own post, but after I exited WinVN last time, I noticed
that the file POST.LOG was still going to the original WinVN directory, not where the
Working Directory pointed.

A quick look at WINVN.INI revealed a value that seems to change where the POST.LOG file is
stored:

[Preferences]
PostLog=1
PostLogFile=H:\POST.LOG

H: is my home directory on the LAN Manager file server.



>
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Subject: Re: WinVN News Reader: how can I place *.ini-File in other dir

In article <2poml8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Luebbeke) says:
>
>Hi,
>
>WinVN (and all other internet programs with personal info) has one
>BIG problem: all personal data (name etc.) goes into the basic WINDOWS
>directory (in the winvn.ini), but: what if some people sharing one PC?
>
>It would be fine, if I could place this *.ini file an a special dir or, even better,
>if I can control the location of the ini-File via environment var.
>
>Is this already built in? Or am I wrong with my problem?
>

I have been running with my WINVN.INI file in the same directory that I load WINVN.EXE
from. When I saw this post, I moved it to a different directory to try it out. I simply
moved it, using file manager, making sure that it was deleted from the old directory.
Then I changed the Working Directory on the WinVN icon to point to the new directory.
Bingo! It found the new one. More importantly, it wrote it back to the new directory
when I exited WinVN.

So I guess, you could have seperate icons for each user, pointing to his/her own icon.
This is not very pretty. I'm not sure what the best way to segregate the .INI files for
the various users is, but there is probably a way to do it.

We run a LAN Manager network here. LANMAN provides each user a private "home" directory on the
network file server. I believe that Novell has a similar feature. If you are running one
of these networks, you could place the .INI file on the user's home directory. Each user
would have a different home directory when they logon, regardless of which PC they logon
from, or if multiple users share a single PC, as long as each user has a unique network
userid. This is probably the cleanest way to do it.



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In article <2po7qp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (P. Eivind Jenssen) writes:
|> We're using the send()-function to send data from one PC to another.
|> We have done this with small data-packages (less than 300 bytes).
|> But we have now tried to send more data (over 3000 bytes (3082 exactly) ).
|> When the send function has been executed, it tells us that it only
|> transmitted 2920 bytes.
|> Our help file WINSOCK.HLP says this might happen, but not WHY it happens.
|> CAN SOMEONE OUT THERE HELP US?
|>
|> (We have used GlobalAlloc() for allocating the sendbuffer, has this anything
|>  to do with it?)

I assume you are sending over a TCP connection (connected socket).

This results in the stream of data you transmit being broken into packets
for onward transmission. 'send' does not guarantee to transmit any amount
of data at a time, and thus returns the amount of data it did transmit,
which is between 0 and the amount you sent.

You need to call send repeatedly until all your data has been transmitted.
(Also, the 'recv' function at the other end will *not* get data in chunks
corresponding to your 'send' calls, in case you didn't realise).

It's quite straightforward to write a 'buffered send' function that will
send any amount of data out, if this is what you need.

Richard Parratt
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Subject: DOS SLIP

Is there a way to set up a DOS computer as a SLIP server
(this computer would be connected to the internet),
then hook other computers up to it via null modem cables?

Thanks in advance for any input.
Kevin Holdmann
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Hi,

I was wondering if it would be feasible to write a VxD which presented
an NDIS 3.0 interface to the new MS WFW TCP/IP Beta but was really a PPP
(and/or a SLIP) driver for a 16550-equipped serial port.

Does this sound sensible or stupid?

Has anyone heard of such a development in the works?

Phil